dawnoftheage wrote:Firstly, If your arguing merely for the sake of arguing then your wasting your time and everybody else`s, i posted in order for you to grasp the fact that the interpretation of the Quran can only be achieved by those vested in knowledge, namely the holy prophet and his progeny which has been proven to you through many authentic and reliable sources that you cannot refute at all. Secondly there are many aspects to jurisprudence that are not detailed in the Quran but are obligatory as part of worship. Who do you think explained all of these practices, of course the answer is the Prophet and his progeny (pbut) Its such a pity that you`ve been here from the beginning and have not grasped any of the abundant knowledge shared.
well i can throw that right back at you cant i, are 'you' just arguing for the sake of arguing? you sound very arrogant! you are so sensitive about all this, if anyone comes with a clear argument that goes against what you believe you get all panicky and defensive.
you didn't answer one point i made, just posted a hadith which is the very thing im saying is pointless, because for all i know (and as Abdullah himself has proved beyond doubt) its corrupt, a lie, a fabrication etc etc.
no one can answer why Allah mentioned numerous things/people/events far less important than all this is supposed to be, and yet never mentioned one word of any of this! did he forget? is he playing games with us? what? you cant explain it except with hadiths, and so you are in a viscous cycle of confusion. you want so badly to believe, that all sense and logic goes out the window.
i can prove what im saying from the Quran NOT HADITHS
The Quran warns you that lies/hadiths will be invented
006.112 Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.
Quran is fully detailed:
006.114 Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
Now to say that someone will come and change the Quran? the Quran denies this is possible, which goes against your hadiths:
006.115 The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
what are you going to believe, the Quran, or a possibly fabricated hadith? it doesn't get much clearer than this!
Now for the hadiths themselves. if you follow all sahih hadiths explain this hadith? do you ignore this one? why? because its suits you?
"Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]
Suerly you should obey this^^^^^^ if you believe in hadiths?