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#62481
abdulbassit wrote:Bismillahi Rehmani Raheem.
Alhamdulillahi Rabilalamin.
Prayers, peace and blessings of Allah(swt) be upon Ala Muhammad wa Ale Muhammad, the Imams and the Mahdies.

Salamwaleikum wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

The belief of misguided black banners include a belief that the First Mahdi(as) appeared and then went into complete Ghaiba in 2008 until 2015.

By the mercy of Allah(swt) the blessed verse of Quran(5:3), is enough to prove that they are the deviants and misguided.

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Quran 5:3)

There is no approach that distances Allah's arena from shortcomings and similarly conforms with the 'completion of the religion' verse without contradicting it, apart from the approach which has been proposed which is the only true belief and approach that doesn't contradict the verse of Completion of Religion and it is:

1)The era is never without an apparent hujjah, connected with the Ummah directly.

2)or via correspondents, in the condition where something prevents (blocks him).

3)or an absent hujjah unconnected with the people and in this situation the era is an era such that there is no recipient and the believers are short comers and their situation is they are hopeful for the command of Allah.

Before the appearance of First Mahdi(as), condition third was the truth, that the believers were shortcomers and hopeful for command of Allah(swt), and the Hujja(as) was absent and unconnected as there was no recipient for him(as).

But then First Mahdi(as) appeared, meaning there also came a generation who are ready to support the truth, meaning a generation appeared who are no longer short comers in receiving from the Hujja(as), so Allah(swt) sent to them First Mahdi(as).

Now how can First Mahdi(as) go into complete Ghaiba after his appearance? This means the matter of "Complete Ghaiba" is not properly understood by the deviants.
If one assumes so, it would mean the same Generation became shortcomers again in span of few years, as the reason of complete Ghaiba is only one and it is that there is no recipient and the believers are short comers.
And such foolish claim implies that Allah(swt) didn't know what was coming, so he wrongly sent First Mahdi(as) the first time!! (Astagfirullah) and far is this contradiction from the truth. And Allah(swt) is all wise and all knowing. And he(swt) issues complete wisdom.

In other words it implies that Allah(swt) planned the epic appearance of First Mahdi(as) after bringing a new generation who became ready to support the truth, hence the Hujja(as) was sent and then the plan of Allah(swt) failed and "entire" generation went astray, and none remained to receive him(as) so he sent the Hujja(as) back into complete Ghaiba waiting for next round(Astaghfirullah) [Far Exalted is Allah(swt) above such ignorant plans].

Is this a Joke? Or can ignorance be ascribed to Allah(swt) {Astaghfirullah}?
This can never be produced from the Absolute All-Knowledgeable, All-Honest, All-Capable, All-Wise, Glory be to Him.

And if First Mahdi(as) went into a partial Ghaiba by appointing the Ambassadors from him(as), then where is the statement and who are the ambassadors? Even though the misguided ones believe only in the complete Ghaiba not a partial one. One might argue that there are narrations about Silence of Al Qaem(as), for 6 days/6 months/6 years but it is an allegorical issue and it can never signify a "Complete Ghaiba" as we have proved as for it meaning an impartial Ghaiba with ambassadors then it is a separate issue out of the context of this topic as we are refuting the belief of misguided ones about a "Complete Ghaiba" which is by binding them with an inevitable proof.

Hence it can be clearly seen that the beliefs of the misguided ones contradict the verse of completion of religion clearly and their claims ascribe ignorance to Allah(swt).

And there is not a party of Allah(swt) except the ansars Allah(swt) in this age, whose belief confirms the verse of Ikmal Ul Din.
And the belief is we always have First Mahdi(as) amongst us since he(as) was sent by Allah(swt), even if he was prevented from publicly appearing due to the enemies, there has always been a communication channel by which he(as) communicates to the rest and an official office set up by his(as) blessed commands, so our Hujja(as) is amongst us and for us the religion is complete and has ever been complete.

And all praise is to Allah(swt) that he purified the blessed call of truth from the hypocrites.
If there is any reasoning left, one may always repent sincerely and join the ark of salvation and save himself/herself from eternal damnation.

May Allah(swt) bestow upon you the best of what he(swt) sends down oh dear ones who remained firm on their covenant.



Wa Alaikum Assalaam,

King Abdullah's death is a prophecy forfilled and must be speaking on behalf of the Imam and must be connected to him, because Muhammad sawas attributed to himself this act of giving glad tidings, and he sawas is not alive during the death of king Abdullah, so the one who represents him is the one who gives glad tidings.

The hadith : "The Messenger of Allah s.a.w.w said:
Hijaz will be ruled by a man who has the name of an animal (i.e king Fahd (leopard)).If you looked at him you will see that he is lazy eyed from far and if you came close to him, you will not see anything wrong with his eyes. A brother called Abdullah will succeed him. Woe unto the Shia from him, he repeated it three times, give me the glad tidings of his death " I will give you the glad tidings of the APPEARANCE OF THE HUJJA- 250 signs p.122

And truly on January 23rd when King Abdullah died that very same day 12 people claimed to have seen Imam Mahdi pbuh and he informed them of many things, which goes with the hadith: "The Qa'im will not rise until 12 men say that they have seen him, so the people belie them" This hadith is from Imam Al-Sadiq a.s. from the book Ghaybat Al-Noamani p277


If you took the time to read from the books of the Imam a.s. you would have found in the book of Monotheism his statement regarding the Black Banners. As follows:


So Muhammad (pbuh & his Family) carried the Black Stone, and this is an indication that The Qa'im (The Riser of The Family of Muhammad pbut), and the Carrier of the Sin, and the Carrier of the Black Banner which indicates to it, shall come out from Muhammad (pbuh & his Family), and also that Muhammad (pbuh & his Family) is the one who carries him in his loins, because he has been placed in Fatima the daughter of Muhammad (pbuh & his Family), and thus, the true carrier of Sin is The Messenger of Allah Muhammad (pbuh & his Family). As for the Black color with which Allah willed to cover this Stone, it indicates towards the sins of the servants, and it reminds them of their sins, for perhaps they may repent and seek forgiveness while they are in The House of Allah, and it is the same as the color of the Banners of the Riser (Qa'im) of the Truth, the black [banners] of the Qa'im of the Family of Muhammad. So the black banners indicate to The Stone, and The Stone indicate to the banners, and both of them indicate, with their black color, to the sin of violating the Testament and The Covenant which were from the creation in the Atom World, and they also indicate to the suffering/effort which the carrier of this sin bears - and the carrier of the black banner which indicates to the sin - the servant who was assigned with the book of The Testament and The Covenant, and he is the Black Stone, and he is the Qa'im (Riser) of The Family of Muhammad.

As you can see with your own two eyes the Black Banners are not a misguided group far from it, so please read the Divine knowledge from the Imam a.s before you speak, lest you find the wrath of Allah upon you in this life and the next by belieing the Imam a.s. and thus become among his enemys.

Allah Humma Sali Ala Mohammed Wa Alih Mohammed Al A`Ima Wal Mahdyeen Wa Salim Tasleema Katheera
#62482
Brother you do not have the authority or the encompassing knowledge to interpret a verse of the holy Quran and claim it to be a proof for your stance.

What has been proven is by the guidance of First Mahdi(as), of course you would not accept that as you are in denial.

Firstly:
"Today I have perfected your religion, completed My blessing on you and I am pleased with Islam for you as a religion." Quran 5:3

That which was 'completed' according to this verse is the religion; and religion is the way of life and the belief system; and to talk about the non-completion of either of these two contradicts the apparent meaning of the verse since the non-completion of either of these two in reality and in the thesis of any Islamic group means that this group has not attained the truth because its situation opposes a clear, apparent, Qur'anic concept.

As for Aal Muhammad (pbut), the 'completion of the religion' according to them was the appointment of Allah's vicegerent since he (Muhammad - pbuhahf) is the one who took the responsibility to explain the true belief system and the way of life with the command of Allah; therefore no gap or contradiction can be found between this belief system and the apparent meaning of the 'completion of the religion' verse. The religion is then completed by the appointment of a spokesperson on behalf of Allah after Muhammad the Messenger of Allah (pbuhahf) and with this the religion is a belief system and jurisprudence which was completed.
So no gap can be found in a religion like this which the fallible scholars are supposed to correct with their opinions and views, like the situation is in the Sunni belief which contradicts the apparent meaning of the verse.

As for the issue of the Occultation of the infallible, we say: the absence of the infallible denotes the process of his disappearance as a result of there not being a recipient for him or his Divinely inspired way of life and thus there is no contradiction between this belief system and the apparent meaning of the 'completion of the religion'.

The reality is that there is no way to reconcile with the apparent meaning of the 'completion of the religion' verse other than with what we say and believe: that the completion of the religion came about with the appointment of Allah's vicegerents after the Messenger of Allah (pbuhahf) and the ones that shape the way of life (lit - make the shari'ah) and convey it (the shariah) from Allah to mankind and that the Imam is in occultation due to the absence of a recipient and that the era prior to the appearance of the First Mahdi mentioned in the Will of the Messenger of Allah (pbuhahf) is an era of a (particular) phase and that people in that era are hopeful for Allah's command and not deserving of reward and they merely receive reward through Allah's mercy, be He glorified and Most High.

So the verse establishes the nullification of every approach that purports the possibility of the era having no vicegerent of Allah like the Sunni approach or the Wahhabi Salafi approach and it (the verse) also nullifies every approach that suggests the absence of the infallible without the Ummah being short comers or without there being no recipient (to receive the hujjah), so the verse contradicts these approaches to the core.



So It is clear that;
A) Your belief in unconnected absence of the infallible from 2008-15 without the entire umma being a shortcomer contradicts the clear Quranic Verse.
B) If you claim that the Entire Umma became astray or shortcomer, then it is ascribing ignorance to Allah(swt) [Far exalted is he(swt) from all such ignorant claims]. And the reason is what was mentioned initially in the first post:

Before the appearance of First Mahdi(as), condition third was the truth, that the believers were shortcomers and hopeful for command of Allah(swt), and the Hujja(as) was absent and unconnected as there was no recipient for him(as).

But then First Mahdi(as) appeared, meaning there also came a generation who are ready to support the truth, meaning a generation appeared who are no longer short comers in receiving from the Hujja(as), so Allah(swt) sent to them First Mahdi(as).

Now how can First Mahdi(as) go into unconnected absence after his appearance? This means the matter of "Unconnected absence" is not properly understood by the deviants.
If one assumes so, it would mean the same Generation became shortcomers again in span of few years, as the reason of "Unconnected absence" is only one and it is that there is no recipient and the believers are short comers.
And such foolish claim implies that Allah(swt) didn't know what was coming, so he wrongly sent First Mahdi(as) the first time!! (Astagfirullah) and far is this contradiction from the truth. And Allah(swt) is all wise and all knowing. And he(swt) issues complete wisdom.

In other words it implies that Allah(swt) planned the epic appearance of First Mahdi(as) after bringing a new generation who became ready to support the truth, hence the Hujja(as) was sent and then the plan of Allah(swt) failed and "entire" generation went astray, and none remained to receive him(as) so he sent the Hujja(as) back into "unconnected absence" waiting for next round(Astaghfirullah) [Far Exalted is Allah(swt) above such ignorant plans].

Is this a Joke? Or can ignorance be ascribed to Allah(swt) {Astaghfirullah}?
This can never be produced from the Absolute All-Knowledgeable, All-Honest, All-Capable, All-Wise, Glory be to Him.


So clearly your claim of an "Unconnected absence" of the infallible from 2008 -15 refutes a clear Quranic Verse.

And you do not have the authority to restrict the first Mahdi a.s., what he has to do and what not, and what would be wise from Allah and what not.


Of course not. But for sure, an infallible can never go against the Quran as he himself is the speaking Quran. If you think he can, then prove your point.
And of course not, we don't know what is wise from Allah(swt) except the fact that ignorance can't be ascribed to Allah(swt).

And all praise is to Allah(swt).
#62484
Dog_of_Ali wrote:Are you aware that you use the verse of ikmal al-din of the quran, which came down in regards to the wilaya of the Prince of Believers Ali a.s., for the office?


What this verse has been used for, is in front of all, and this verse which clearly states that the Religion of Allah is complete and without shortcomings has been used to refute the ideology of the misguided black banners that the Hujja went into an "unconnected absence" after his appearance from 2008-15. It amazes me I've to explain that to you after 2 pages while this is the Subject of this topic.

This interpretation cannot be farther from the reality. This verse came down for Ali a.s., who was betrayed by 90 percent of the Ummah! It did not descent for the one who was followed by almost the entire muslim ummah (Abu Bakr)!

Again, What this verse means is clear and it has been used here to refute the ideology of the misguided black banners, its not a discussion about what you have argued about.

And yes of course a big part of a generation can become misguided, that has nothing to do with Allah being ignorant or unwise (refering to your arguments)

Well it appears you need to re read the post again and see whether the argument in the original post was about "Majority becoming misguided" or "The Entire Umma" suddenly becoming shortcomers again in span of few years and this "Umma" in context is the epic Generation which came after 1000 years, who could now receive the Hujja(as) and they were those who were ready to take from him(as), so Allah(swt) sent to them First Mahdi(as) as they were ready to support the truth, and those who sacrificed for him, and they endured for the truth.
In other words, I'll simplify for those whom Allah(swt) wills:

- Al Mahdi(as) went into Longer Occulation, a complete unconnected absence and the reason is clear that the Entire Umma became shortcomer. Remember: "You neither understand His decree nor accept from His Awliyaa"?
- After more than 1000 years in this desert, Allah(swt) brought a generation unlike the previous ones, who became to ready to receive the Hujja(as), and hence he sent to them First Mahdi(as).
- How can this awaited generation in entirety again be lost in this desert, and become like those of the past in span of few years! and plan of Allah(swt) fails(Astaghfirullah)? So again Allah(swt) had to send back First Mahdi back into "Unconnected Absence" waiting for next round to again bring a new generation which can support the Hujja? Such actions are ascribing ignorance to Allah(swt)[Far Exalted is he above such foolish claims and beliefs].


On the contrary what has happened is truth and in front of all, that Allah(swt) brought this generation after more than 1000 years,who could now receive the Hujja(as) and they were those who were ready to take from him(as), so Allah(swt) sent to them First Mahdi(as) as they were ready to support the truth, and they in fact sacrificed for him, and they endured for the truth and they started crushing their "I" and started following on the footsteps of Al Hussein(as) not afraid of anything except Allah(swt). And by the mercy of Allah(swt) by the presence of Hujja(as), they in fact benefited like never before which only took them near towards Allah(swt) and away from this dunya, even though from time to time some people became apostate but alhamdulillah it is a sunna of Allah(swt) and it is the might of Allah(swt) that the dawa of Al Qaim(as) became stronger than ever and purified by that.

Anyways the matter is clear that the Verse of Quran clearly refutes the invalid belief of misguided one. And it is :
A) Your belief in unconnected absence of the infallible from 2008-15 without the entire umma being a shortcomer contradicts the clear Quranic Verse as religion of Allah(swt) is complete and without any shortcomings.
B) If you claim that the Entire Umma became astray or shortcomer, then it is ascribing ignorance to Allah(swt) [Far exalted is he(swt) from all such ignorant claims]. And the reason is what was mentioned initially in the first post.

It reminds me so much about how the "succession" of Abu Bakr is being justified and how impossible it would be that Allah would let this happen to the Muslim Ummah...

How can the belief and discussion about "Unconnected Absence" of the Hujja remind you about the time of Ali(as) and succession of Abu Bakr is out of my comprehension except the fact that all you have done is being hasty about answering and out of context arguing while you have not even understood by now what is being emphasized. here.
#62486
Again you are comparing it with wrong comparison.

Let me rephrase it this way from what Imam(as) once taught:

What was the reason of occultation of Al Mahdi(as)?
- Was it Fear from getting killed by the tyrants? --- No.

- Was it Absence of an individual qualified for emissary-ship and special deputy-ship for the Imam pbuh? ---- No.

- Was it "The refraining of the nation from the Imam pbuh"? --- Yes.

"And not benefiting from him with real benefit and not interacting with him such that he is a leader of a nation, so the complete occultation is a punishment and maybe from its goals is to reform the nation after being affected by calamities and tragedies because of the absence of the infallible leader. So the long occultation resembles the labyrinth of the Children of Israel in the desert of Sinai, meaning: That it is a reformative punishment, the goal of it is to take out a generation from this nation which is qualified to carry the Divine message to the people of the earth, a generation which does not become pleased except with the infallible as a leader and does not become pleased except for the Quran to become a constitution and slogan and curriculum for life"

Point to be Noted:
A) The Longer Occultation in itself was a "reformative punishment", the goal of it is to take out a generation from this nation which is qualified to carry the Divine message to the people of the earth.

So clearly when Allah(swt) brought such generation after this long era of time, who are qualified to carry the Divine Message to the people of earth. Allah(swt) sent to them First Mahdi(as).

Now only an ignorant would accuse that, this same generation again became disqualified to carry the Divine Message in span of few years! Is it a Joke? Or do you ascribe weakness in the plan of Allah(swt) or do you ascribe ignorance to Allah(swt)?

You say:

This is the wrong starting point, as the children of Israel went into the desert after Moses a.s.,

Oh readers who might give reason, the desert of sinai already happened in our nation in the time of Longer occultation and it has occurred and Allah(swt) made it a punishment for more than a 1000 years, until now when Allah(swt) brought a generation qualified to carry the message and he(swt) sent to them, First Mahdi(as).


You said that it doesn't make sense that this generation could go astray after the first Mahdi a.s. appeared, but don't you know that the Muslim Ummah went astray even though the Prophet saas. was among them for decades?


Again, out of context argument. No similarities, nothing related to this topic! And its astonishing how can people even consider such arguments! Even though the Muslim Umma went astray, there was still a party of believers,and The Hujja(as) was amongst them, Prophet(sawas) was amongst them, and after him Imam Ali(as) and so on. But here your invalid ideology state First Mahdi(as) went into "Unconnected Absence", so for those who have been misguided by this dawa of apostasy, their religion was incomplete from 2008-15, as there was no connected Hujja(as) among them, so their invalid ideology ascribes shortcoming in the religion of Allah(swt) and their invalid ideology contradicts the Verse of "Completion of Religion"


And in fact the verse of ikmal al-din refers to Ali a.s.


Even a twelver, non ansari can say that. But their ideology contradicts this blessed verse, and so does yours. I would quote what Imam(as) said today in his blessed interview, "I wonder how can a sane person even close his eyes to sleep after seeing his ideology getting completely refuted"
#62488
The problem with all these arguments is that you assume that the followers of the office would be that chosen generation...

Oh now I understand, that's what the problem is in your brain which has been assuming things on my behalf. So since you could not refute the arguments, you chose the later part, asking more like "Who is that chosen generation"? In other words you have accepted your defeat.
What has been proven to you is clear. And that your ideology is invalid and it contradicts a clear blessed verse of Quran.

Again this is all a problem of you being hasty to reply while you realize not what you are arguing with and hence this time what you have argued with you have accepted that your ideology is invalid even if you realize it not.
You ask "Who is that Generation" or precisely you said "that you assume that the followers of the office (calf) would be that chosen generation?" or more like implying that the office followers who are in fact the Ansars Allah(swt) are not that generation while there might be some other generation. Problem is your ideology states, there is no such generation between 2008-15. So away with invalid and corrupted ideology of misguided ones.
Because more importantly:
A) Your belief in unconnected absence of the infallible from 2008-15 without the entire umma being a shortcomer contradicts the clear Quranic Verse as religion of Allah(swt) is complete and without any shortcomings.
B) If you claim that the Entire Umma became astray shortcomer, then it is ascribing ignorance to Allah(swt) [Far exalted is he(swt) from all such ignorant claims]. And the reason is what was mentioned initially in the first post.

Or do you really think that the people of the Qaim a.s. are 450.000 like the facebook page shows?

It will be 10313. That is the chosen generation.

Who said all those who like the blessed facebook page will make it to the battlefied? Anyways this part is none of our business, it is clear at least you are not part of that generation as your ideology contradicts the blessed verse of Ikmul al Din.
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